UPDATED HONOR CODE

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Not sure how you got what I posted as talking down to you as actually I was not talking directly to you at all. I apologize for how you took it but I would appreciate it if you considered some resprect for your fellow gamers before posted something without merit. Anyone that knows me could tell you that I am the last one to worry about bickering about this game or anything else. Of course this text on a page can cause many miscommunications as there is no tone in the reading. Trust me, I am in no way trying to talk down to you or anyone else.

To me it is clear, glitches / super bounces in match making to gain an unfair advantage are not allowed.

To define unfair advantage - jumping on top of something and sniping everyone below or grabing the ball and jumping on top of a building with it.
These are things that give the person doing the super jump and unfair advantage as not everyone can do or even know about super jumps.

Doing a super jump then to just do it and not participating in the game is not doing it to give you or your team and unfair advantage.

To me though, if my teammate did a super bounce just to do it, instead of keeping his a$$ in the match and helping the team, I would not be very happy about that.

I would be happy to discuss this on XBL if that is needed.

 

[XGC SUPER FAT]

I understand that, and I agree with you, but alot of people are misinterpreting this because it is still vague. So I am simply just pointing that out.

Yeah I probably got a little pissy yesterday due to my frustration and I am sorry for that, I just can't get anyone on this thread to see that the honor code needs to be more clear on this. That's it.

Look how many posts there are on this thread and my question has not been answered yet. Everything else in the honor code is clear, but "to gain an unfair advantage can be argued"

It is clear to me that bridging host is an honor code violation, but I can see how some gamers use it to not get modded. I have never cheated once, and never will, because that's who I am. I am just simply looking for this to not be left up to interpretation.

It should be clear and concise just as the rest of the honor code is and should not be left up to interpretation.

I have beat this to the ground, sorry about that, but I feel that due to the honor code I have the right to do so. I never intended for this to be drama, I asked a simple question, and because the honor code is not concise on this, it has led to this.

I hope you know I am not trying to cause trouble, I just want to have an answer for my members who brought this subject up again at out weekly meeting. And honestly I can't give them any answer other than, use your best judgement because it is still unclear to me. I tell them what others have told me, but using SBs for slayer and not skirmish games is lame (in matchmaking period it is lame), you can either use them or not.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

No worries. I am working on an answer and/or clarification for you. I will bring it up at the SL meeting on Sunday and go from there. In the meantime, the interpretation that has been stated by other SL's and DL's and the honorcode is that using a super jump to gain an advantage over others in matchmaking is not good and can be considered cheating regardless how lame it may sound.

The idea of doing super bounces in skirmish vs slayer games is not in the honorcode so in reality doing them in either is equally as bad.

For now the above is your answer.

Hang out for now and we will see how things go upon discussing this topic on Sunday. I will post the response I get.

Thanks.

 

[XGC SUPER FAT]

Ok, sounds good man.

 

[XGC arcameli]

It prob. got lost in the mix, but did anyone see my question about members who have moons and shooting stars and whatnot for their levels? I mean are 45+ really attainable in any sort of legit form? and... if members already have these ranks upon entering, how far should Generals and Captains go back checking games. I've seen a few people from other clans with these levels and was wondering. Thanks
Arc

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Good questions. Sorry I missed them. I will try and get you answers during our Sunday meetings.

For furture reference, everyone, please use the Ask Section Leaders forums for important questions like these. It will be very helpful for us and insure they get addressed.

I don't care if you post them in my forum area even if I am not directly over your clans. I am a Section Leader in XG and here to help everyone the best I can.

Thanks.

 

[Vader]

exactly moocow but apparently he thinks all superbouncing is banned.

atta boy bunite.... the subject was if we banned superbouncing.. not THAT WE DID BAN it i was saying IF... and that we should THINK about what we ban before we ban... but sorry for the misunderstading? ... i guess....?

 

[blondiizzle]

Your ANSWER

 

[Vader]

your answer?... i must've missed the punchline lol

 

[XGC Pentagram]

its a link numbnut

I went and asked the 007, and Hylander posted the same response. 007 agreed fully, and clarified that superbouncing in matchmaking is against the honor code.

So in conclusion, dont mess with the game in a way that it was not made to be messed with!

 

[blondiizzle]

numbnut. Nice!

Anywho - thank Maggnus and Hylander and 007 and Pentagram for getting this all sorted out. I know that a LOT of people have been misinformed regarding the meaning of this in the Honor Code.

 

[XGC arcameli]

So now that we have that figured out, how about those level 45+???

 

[XGC Halodaddy]

then y not say no super bouncing(period). instead of, "glitching / super jumping in match making to gain an unfair advantage"

 

[XGC xCANUCKx]

It is fair to superjump in a nonobjective game. but if it is like team ball or capture the flag, it is not fair. slayer games should still be allowed to have super jumping.

 

[XGC Zealot XL]

As already stated many times in this thread.
That is the rule.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

As 007 says - " For the Love of God!!!!" what part of this is confusing you all?

It does not say you CAN'T do it at all as that is like me telling someone they can't walk around their own house in their underwear. I mean, if you are not hurting anyone else feel free to do as you please. If you think super jumping onto a building in a game, custom or matchmaking is cool have fun. Just don't screw the game up for others by taking a ball, flag or sniper up their with you. Personally, if you were on my team and you decided to go check out the pretty view on top of a building I would probably want to come up their and stick you in the face for being an idiot and not staying with the team to help win the match.

Now, one last time, when you go into matchmaking you are playing with others and if you do it you gain and unfair advantage over them. Whether you like it or not, that is the truth. Whether others can do it or learn it, does not matter. If you are in Xiled Gaming we DO NOT allow glitches and super jumping in match making when you do it for any other purpose that to just do it.

This includes, taking the ball or flag outside the map or on top of something to screw up the game AND it does include doing it in SLAYER GAMES where you grab a sniper and proceed to run and hide up on top of a building and snipe people below.

ANY UNFAIR ADVANTAGE , PERIOD.
Pretty simple that it clearly says that in the HONORCODE we all ACCEPT when we joined XG.

Bungie states these are bugs in the game and by no mistake they are considered cheating in their matchmaking games. They are part of the game but never intended to screw with the integrity of the matchmaking part of their system.

I don't care what anyone else is telling you, they have twisted the honorcode slightly to their benefit for the sake of using the glitches and super jumping to their advantage instead of playing the game as it was made to be played.

As I did with anther thread on this same topic, I now point you to a thread which you will get further word on this by one of our Council Members - Please scroll down to about the middle of the thread once there as there is other stuff which many of you might want to check out first in reference to the PRO team.

http://www.xiledgaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2863

No more post about this issue, PLEASE!!
Thanks.

 

[Aye aye Captain]

I'm sorry but bungie does not say this is cheating.

And I will quote bungie.net to prove this statement...

From the Cheating FAQ in the Halo 2 Section of Bungie.net it says:

"Q Bungie says quitting or "super jumping" isn't cheating but can't the guy I just beat leave me negative feedback and get me in trouble anyways?

A Yes, they can. However, as stated above, simply having someone give you negative feedback isn't going to result in a ban. To be extra safe, avoid doing those things you think may be misconstrued as cheating. And, keep in mind, the Bungie team is working on ways to address some of these in-game glitches and exploits."

Bungie DOES say it is defined as "manipulating or interfering with aspects of the game or networking to give yourself or your team an unfair advantage."

So we know Superjumping isn't considered cheating, according to the Bungie.net FAQ.

So button glitches, are they a manipulation of the game?

I say NO, because its there. Nothing has been added to the game to allow you to do this. It is in the game. Wouldn't whoring the sniper rifle and rockets be an unfair advantage although everyone can do it? yup.

In conclusion, I say:
YES to button glitches
YES to non-objective match super jumping
NO to objective match super jumping

The end.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

I appreciate you taking the time to point that all out as it further supports the orginal post I made which was also linked to Bungie. It clearly says it is manipulating the game as it was intended to be played and any manipulation can be considered cheating by others.

did you got to the other links I put in my post?

Also, as has been stated by myself, (A Section Leader) a council member (XGC 007 XI) and our HONORCODE - glitches and super jumping to gain and unfair advantage in matching making are not allowed.

If you want to super bounce in matchmaking with a sniper or get out of a map with the ball or anything else besides just going up to check out the view it is against the honorcode which you have accepted to be in our community.

If you choose to take advantage of glitches with buttons in matchmaking you can be reported for cheating and eventually banned from matchmaking. Sorry, but read the post you copied from bungie as I did not make that rule. The thing is, so many people that play this game don't even know what a BXR is they don't report it or know how to. There are 20K to 100K people playing this game daily, if you think more then 20% know how to do the glitches you are thinking wrong. Most are an average person just trying to play a game and have fun. Not get sniped from the top of a map every time they spawn.

As I have said before, this topic is done and over. For those of you that still think you want to discuss it, I refer to over to the thread in our council members forum as he and other council members will surely be your final voice on this topic if you feel I have not been.


Link >> http://www.xiledgaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2863

 

[Nepenthe Amity]

I agree With Hylander.

To me i find that Button Glitching is Cheating cause its getting an unfair advantage, even though alot of people can do it. Some cant, and when they learn they still cant do it.

Our Clan has Clan Pratices, on our first one of this month, we did a BxR Pratice (then cancelled the pratice for that certain one cause people cant do it) i tried to do it and all i can do is BXB, thats it. Double-Quad shot is also cheating in my terms. Some people cant do it and dont care.

So yeah, Hylander is correct, about 20% of the people are Average Gamers who just play the game to have fun. add another 40% to that, That 40% of the people are the ones who have to mod, stand-by, bridge, circle boost, anything like that to get their sooo "Precious" Level. Then when they go against someone really good, they get raped cause they're not Legit. Then the Last 40% are those sooo good button smashers (literally) who use the button glitches to win. Im with the 20% I play to Have fun.

maybe i went off track with that, but i was in the mood to make my post on the subject. Superbouncing is ok in Team Slayer and Team Snipers (cause i see few people do it) but in Objective Games, thats Cheating. Simple as That.

-xLithium

 

[pyrofreak86]

so it's fair to super jump in team slayer and sniper game's and alng as it's not like oddball or ctf ect... ??