UPDATED HONOR CODE

[XGC Maggnus]

I understand that, but it says glitching and super jumping to gain an unfair advantage. That is a very vague statement. It doesnt mention any perticular game type either, it only states in matchmaking.

Also why was there no message sent to generals and captains notifying us of this change?

Super Bouncing and glitching are part of the game. Even on Bungie website it states that it is not cheating.

Achronos himself said that Super bouncing and glitching are problems with the Havoc game engine and are NOT part of the game. They are anomolies that exist and if exploited are considered cheating. These problems cannot be fixed without overhauling the game engine. They are considered cheating by bungie, they just cannot police it, since it is considered cheating, people can, will, and have left feedback for this and can lead to a suspension/ban from XBL.

-XGC Maggnus

 

[XGC xOCMx XC]

Superbouncing is allowed, but NOT with the other team's FLAG, BOMB OR BALL! This is what I have always told new recruits in the recruiting speech.

 

[CAPOS SNOW]

cool mom you are correct. in XGC we are allowed to superbounce if you do not have the bomb, flag, or ball

 

[Vader]

Meh i say superbounce anytime you want with bomb and flag.. ANYTIME, as long as it isnt for malicious reasons.. like... if there is some faster way of scoring a flag or bomb my bouncing then who cares? i would say dont super bounce with a ball because thats malicious. you cannot kill someone if they bounce in certain areas. and to bounce just to keep time going with a flag.. i would consider that malicious. i would feel those being accetpable gltiching/bouncin.. just keep it in a fair mind. and dont be a jerk about it. anyone can do what you do, they just need to learn it. really we can ask the question : is double/triple shotting illegal? ... its a glitch.. it gives "unfair" advantage.. if we outlaw all superbouncing and glitching then do not do BYB or BXB or RXR... becase that is gltiching as well.. think about what your banning before you ban is what i say. ^.^

 

[XGC MooCow]

vader has a good point. just dont use it with the bomb, ball, or flag. it is just part of the game like the BxR.

 

[BuNiTe]

Meh i say superbounce anytime you want with bomb and flag.. ANYTIME, as long as it isnt for malicious reasons.. like... if there is some faster way of scoring a flag or bomb my bouncing then who cares? i would say dont super bounce with a ball because thats malicious. you cannot kill someone if they bounce in certain areas. and to bounce just to keep time going with a flag.. i would consider that malicious. i would feel those being accetpable gltiching/bouncin.. just keep it in a fair mind. and dont be a jerk about it. anyone can do what you do, they just need to learn it. really we can ask the question : is double/triple shotting illegal? ... its a glitch.. it gives "unfair" advantage.. if we outlaw all superbouncing and glitching then do not do BYB or BXB or RXR... becase that is gltiching as well.. think about what your banning before you ban is what i say. ^.^

ok vader first off if you were reading what other people wrote then you would see that superbouning isn't banned. The part that is banned is superbouncing with an objective say flag,ball, or bomb. It is just wrong. You can think what you want. But it is being a jerk if you superbounce with any objective because it isn't fair to the other team. Now you talk about glitches like the BXR and such. are you just saying that because you can't do them and people do them to you. Just wondering. chea O yea you say if it is a faster way, why not sneak in the base. that is what crouching is for. They are just saying you don't need to be an *** by jumpimg with an objective.

 

[BuNiTe]

exactly moocow but apparently he thinks all superbouncing is banned.

 

[XGC MooCow]

i would kill myself if i couldnt superbounce occasionally. my favorite is team snipers on burial mounds. you get out of the map there and you will win even if the bouncer doesnt shoot. its ussually more of a distraction!

 

[BuNiTe]

yea once again you are right moocow. chea

 

[XGC SUPER FAT]

Bunite, I aggree with you. I can agree with you on all of that. Its just that the honor code is very vague, I read it, and no where does it say anything about slayer, skirmish, flags, bxr, bxb, so on and so forth. I am just pointing out that it is very vague and it says "glitching / super jumping in match making to gain an unfair advantage". Tell me where it says anything about that its ok in slayer and not in skirmish. BXR and BXB are both glitches, how is that not a violation of this very vague honor code. BXR and BXB are unfair advantages to everyone.

I am just pointing out, that the honor code needs to be more specific. Everyone is telling me only illegal with flag, ball, etc. How do you know? It isn't in the honor code.

Please don't confuse this with me thinking those things are OK. I understand exactly what you mean, it is not detailed.

Super Out

 

[BuNiTe]

Hey Super i understand what you are saying and i do agree with you. chea

 

[toowicked4u]

I'd hate to see any member of our clan be reported for cheating, so to avoid confusion as to what is considered a reportable offense:
Superbouncing is definitely considered cheating by Bungie. It was mentioned in a Podtacular podcast with KP from Bungie, which can be found here:
http://cache.libsyn.com/podtacular/podtacular94.mp3
In this interview, KP specifically states (in regards to super bouncing), "It's not up for debate. It is cheating."
He then goes on to say that it should be reported, and how.
He also mentions that they don't have a way to detect it like they can with mods. So it sounds like if people want to do bouncing in custom games, that should be fine. But be careful not to do it in matchmade games, or else you'll probably be reported for cheating.

 

[XGC arcameli]

I understand our honor code and have abided by such, (I'm not big into superbouncing anyway) but my mentality has always been, if anyone can buy an xbox, pull it out of the package, plug it in and learn to superbounce, BxR etc., then the playing field is fair. Should Tiger Woods not be allowed to hit a 360 yard sky hook around trees on a par 5? The golf hole was not designed to be played as such (just like halo 2 was not designed to include superbouncing) but Tiger has learned a skill that most of the rest of the field doesn't know and is rewarded accordingly. I can see why we (XG) wouldn't want to superbounce in skirmish type games so as not to tarnish our reputation, and if the council determines that superbouncing of any sort deters new membership or negatively affects the group then we should stop superbouncing, not because it is "unfair" but because it negatively impacts our goals.

 

[XGC SUPER FAT]

I completely agree with you. It just needs to be more clear in the honor code that it is for skirmish gametypes.

 

[XGC Aldier]

It is the responsibility of every member that when you bring a new person into XGC, XG in general, that they are read the honor code and it is explained to them. Add that to your explanation if you have to. Also, it is the responsibility of the Captains and the Generals to, before sending the clan invite, make sure that person coming into XGC is FULLY aware of our rules and what does and does not constitute cheating.

 

[XGC SUPER FAT]

Yeah dude, I know that and I hope that everyone knows that at Srgt level and above. My point is still that I don't super bounce in matchmaking, I personally think it is g*yness to the max, but the honor code is unclear. On the bungie website, it says that it is not considered cheating by bungie.

I abide by the honor code no matter what and I make sure that my guys are as well. The honor code states that glitching/super jumping in matchmaking to gain an unfair advantage. That is very vague and needs to be cleared up. That is all I am saying.

ON this thread alone I have had people say only in skirmish games, not at all, blah blah blah.

It says nothing about skirmish or killing or anything, it says to gain an unfair advantage. That is a very vague statement and left up to interpretation.

So it just needs clarified exactly what the council wants us to do.

I have just told my guys to use there best judgement.

I don't have to use super bounces in a game to destroy people, I personally think it is cheap, just simply want a clafication for my guys.

 

[XGC arcameli]

I hear ya Super Fat, it is somewhat unclear and maybe an addendum could help.

I have another honor code related question. What about XG people who have moons or shooting stars or whatnot for their level. Legit 45+??? How does this happen legally? Any suggestions people?

 

[XGC Maggnus]

On the bungie website, it says that it is not considered cheating by bungie.

Actually, it is considered cheating by Bungie and they said it is well within a players right to leave cheating feedback on those that do superjump. The only reason it isn't something they ban is because it isn't something they can police.


http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=7068597&v iewreplies=true&postRepeater1-p=2#end

-Maggnus

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

I personally have never once did a Superbounce. I have tried a couple but never really cared to do it to worry about trying again.

What's the point? It usually takes you away from playing the match and in some cases you have to try a couple times to even accomplish doing it. I have killed many a person crouching down to prepare for a superbounce!

Now, this debate could go on forever unless Bungie removes these types of things from the game. If they do not do so in HALO3 then they would be part of the game which is used for customized use by the gamers who like to use them in Custom games. This would be called having fun on their own dime.

I would like to point something out to everyone and that is something called our Honorcode -

Cheating is defined as any manipulation of online play; this includes, but not limited to modding, bridging, stand-bying, forcing host, glitching / super jumping in match making to gain an unfair advantage, playing online custom/ranked games with Modders, and circle boosting.

As with most things, it is very simple to figure out the rules of our community be looking at the honorcode and not try to reinvent it based on your political points of view as some do in our community. Seems pretty easy to understand what is says there, Cheating is not allowed and is defined by glitching / super bouncing to gain an unfair advantage in a matchmaking game. Bungie agrees with this and has said you can be reported as cheating for doing it. I will repeat this for those confused people, it says Super bouncing to gain and unfair advantage in matchmaking. If you have a sniper and superbounce you gained an unfair advantage and can be reported for cheating. So, stop whining, get your coward a$$ down and try to kill someone face to face instead of running and hiding.

Whether you like it or not, I suggest you don't do it for two reasons,
1. you will eventually get banned altogether from XBL according to bungie stating it is cheating and you can be reported for it.

2. prior to that you will probably get removed frmo XG beings it says not to do it in our honorcode. Does not matter if you agree or not, cheating no matter how minor is still cheating and against the honorcode we currently follow.

I kid you not, if everyone just kept it simple and followed the honorcode as it is written as well as folloowed the responsibilities of our ranking structure, we would have more consistency in our community. This would then allow for a lot less DRAMA then we have now.

 

[XGC SUPER FAT]

This isn't drama, if the honor code said "glitching / super jumping in match making" then there would be no room for discrepancies. But it says "glitching / super jumping in match making to gain an unfair advantage" Again, I personally don't super bounce in matchmaking, because I think it is lame.

There would be no drama if the honor code was clear on this. I am just coming for advice and to point something out that needs to be clarified, not for someone to talk down to me. That's it. Simple huh. Not drama.

And I am not worried about being banned because I don't cheat. I just simply want the honor code to be more specific. This thread has turned into a waste of time.