VOLUNTEER

[XGC Pentagram]

The way I see it, is that recruiting is obviously important, that is after all how we grow, but I think that it is a good way for new recruits and privates and seargents to show that they are dedicated. I remember back when I was first recruited, I was a recruiting fiend, since I was so excited about this community, and I wanted to show how serious I was. It payed off for me, so I encourage all of those people in my clan to do the same. Recruiting is a great way to show your dedication, but as it has been said several times, quality over quantity. Some of my recruits were not as good as I could have hoped, but such is life. Some recruits were great, and all of a sudden they up and left. I would much rather fill up slowly with awesome people, then have a full clan of half dead tags. I certainly think that demoting someone for not recruiting is rediculus, since forcing someone to do something just to keep a rank seems a bit tyranical, and certainly un-XGish.

If you want people to recruit, the first thing to do is lead by example, and get the others in your clan excited about XG, the more excited they are, the more they will do for the community!

 

[XGC SynstrFrogg]

here ill simplify it for all you people that like to write a book about its all about support get other people to help you lessen the burden and if you become stressed out then take a step back or a break and if your not having fun leave like i did simple yes somethings should not be overanalysed even tho this issue is not one of them but ive seen many that have

 

[blondiizzle]

Hi oFroggo,

I think that we're all just having an overall discussion here, sharing ideas and voicing what has worked and hasn't worked for us, to give Arc and other Generals that may be having some issues with feeling overloaded other ideas on how to handle their responsibilities.

So we are getting together and trying to give each other a hand... That's what XG is all about.

I'm sorry if you felt that leaving was the only way to deal with your responsibilities, but other people here are trying to constructively deal with their problems.

Thanks for respecting our forums,

Blondi

 

[XGC Maggnus]

I'm new to being a General, but I took on a lot of responsibility as a Captain so I'm ready for whatever they can throw at me. If things get tough, I'll ask for help or find a better way to manage my work in the clan. Like others have said, Captains should be doing their part to ease the workload on the Generals. The Generals should choose wisely when promoting people to Captain, and playing favorites is the worse possible way to do it, or promoting someone to get them to stop nagging you is also not the path to follow, both of which I refuse to go down.

-Maggnus

 

[XGC arcameli]

Secondly, I did not mean for my post to be misconstrued as a complaint about the responsibility we have. I thoroughly enjoy my job, uphold all of my duties and represent XG in a very proud manner, but do so because it is a personal goal, as opposed to an external goal. My frustration has nothing to do with the responsibilities we have but the way they are presented to us. As much as the council has done (which is a GREAT deal and I thank them for it and have repeatedly in the past) this is and has been a collective effort for a large majority of the time. People do exemplary jobs when they want to, and do just enough to get by when they are forced to and I worry that generals’ actions seem forced recently as opposed to the product of a simple cajoling.

For those of you that don't know please look up the definition of cajoling. I don't mean this condescendingly but no one has responded to this point and this is really where I wanted the conversation to go.

 

[blondiizzle]

Heh, well if you don't think making Generals go pink for not posting their squad list isn't cajoling...

I agree that some people do just enough to get by. All that I can do is know that I do my job the best I can, and that when messages come out about things that I do correctly, be comforted knowing that I am not the one causing the issue.

I personally feel that when an organization grows as large as we have, that we eventually take on the responsibilities as a job and w/ growth comes more organization and more and more responsibilities. so yeah. . . still volunteer, but some pple see that it sometimes takes a bit more commitment that just being a volunteer sometimes u just have to give it ur all and then u are a step above a volunteer. this is where the stress comes in and some pple just can't take it.

I agree. We are a HUGE community and the Section Leaders and Division Leaders are doing their best to make sure that people are doing what needs to be done underneath them. They offer support, will bring people to help out, etc. They are just trying to get people to do their jobs, without doing the job for them. I'm sorry, but the SLs and DLs have way too much responsibility to be hounding every single person under them that does not update their squad list. If they have to hand out assignments to Generals, then so be it, they have a lot going on. As we grow, we are going to HAVE to become more bureaucratic, that is just the way it goes. Otherwise chaos will ensue. It is the same in the business world. I just went through it. You have to structure and delegate. That is all that there is to it.

 

[XGC arcameli]

"To urge with gentle and repeated appeals, teasing, or flattery; wheedle. to persuade by flattery or promises; wheedle; coax." There is a large difference between running a business and doling out jobs, and making people want to do things. My issue is that generals turning pink shouldn't even be an issue. People in these positions should want to do these things like squad lists and such.

 

[blondiizzle]

For starters - I am well aware of the definition of cajole.

People should want to do these jobs, but some people want to rank up to be cool. It is not always apparent to the SLs that they are not deserving of their rank. People also run into personal issues and can't take care of some of their responsibilities.

If you are doing your job, then why are you worrying about what others are doing?

 

[Fluffy]

yep this sounds like a logical train of thought, i tried to help my captain by shouldering as much of the burden i could when i was a sargeant. now i am going to do that again with my new captain now that i am a lt.

 

[XGC arcameli]

A good response to why I worry about it is one of Aldiers recent posts. When I originally started this thread, a number of different friends had just left XG because they said it was turning into a "job."
PS. Blndii, I hope you know I didn't mean any offense by putting the definition in. That wasn't pointed towards you, just so people didn't have to look it up. This is just to spur discussion.

 

[blondiizzle]

And then there are people who are leaving because they aren't getting promoted. What it comes down to is that this is a community of people. People are human. We are all going to have feelings, there are always going to be problems, and it's up to the Council to determine where they want the community to go, and the Division Leaders and Section Leaders see that vision realized (just like a business, with the Board of Directors, Upper Management, Middle Management, and then us, Lower Management. Supervisors (Captains), Team Leaders (Sargeants), Employees (Privates), Contingent/Temp-to-Hires (Recruits) - I had to explain to my roommate the rank structure.)

There are going to be people that are going to feel like things aren't going their way. And like I said, some people want to rank up for the glory, where some people REALLY and TRULY want to be where they are at and do the work and deserve to be there.

Something that made me think of this thread when I read it:

http://www.xiledgaming.com/forum/showthread.php?p=52824#post52824

 

[BuNiTe]

Ok well if you feel like this is a job, then do what people do when they dont like their job. find another or u can just give up. Honestly if you are going to sit here and take all this stress and then ***** about it then why dont u just demote urself since it is too much for you. This is something we all want to do, but the fact is as u progress through the ranks you will learn that things change, you claim u love the community so much then prove it and man up to what you have to do to better the community. These "responsiblities" that everyone is sooo worried about are nothing more than doing what your rank asks of you. As i said before if you cant do what the rank asks for then step down and let some1 who can do it take ur place and "if you don't like it you can leave" (as quoted by XGC TFLEM XL), no1 is forcing you to be here or do anything you dont want to. This community is here for people who want to be in it and for people who wanna do what it takes to further the community. Now ask for the whole pink symbol. No1 is forcing you to go pink. It's just a lil teaser to get the generals to actually worry about their clan, cuz if you ask me. Some generals dont really care and then they cry when the clan gets hit. Ok i'm done. That is enough on this thread for now. CHEA!!!

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Dang, I had forgot about this thread till Bunites post. Good thing to as now you can get a double whammy of a response.

Bascially what Bunite is saying and what I have said is stop all this dang whinning and just go do your thing per whatever rank you are.

If a person really gets to the point of this being so stressful and considers it is a job then that is on them and they can choose to leave. End of story.

Someone above mentioned that sometimes there are captains that do not hold up their end of the deal so this is what causes the generals to feel like it is a job. Umm, get some new dam captains and get on with things. How simple is that.

Look, what I am saying may sound harsh and I am sure there will be some softer folks that will want to post their But, what if's and other gibberish. However, why are we spending time talking about this at all?

Out of like 300 Generals this is an issue with how many?
I think I see two.

Guys, if you spent as much time focusing on just being the rank you are and building on that as you do trying to use big words and point out peoples faults on these forums you would probably have built an empire of squads by now.

That is what we are really here for right?
Building a great online gaming community?

Or is it to dwell on peoples inability to own up to their responsibilites so they blame others then run away from them.

You both have good intentions I know but really, let those other people leave in peace and let's focus on you still being here and doing good things.

Fair enough ?

Thanks.

 

[XGC arcameli]

FIRST!!!! I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES!!! PLEASE SOMEONE ACTUALLY READ WHAT I WRITE! Myself and Aldier basically ran Kings and had a general steal the credit get promoted to SL and try to screw us (and we didn't complain or cause drama whatsoever!) 90% of the success of Kings was because of myself and Aldier, and we are now running a successful clan that was purposely set up to fail. I hear what you are saying Hylander and Bunite, but if you were set up with a clan by a section leader who's goal was to make you fail so that you he could boot you, you might be singing another tune. Aldier and I overcame the odds, and Intrepid is now successful and we have not complained about the responsibilities. This whole thread was because I was seeing other generals leave and wanted to know what people think! Where did people get onto this whole thing about how I can't handle the responsibilities??!?!?! Me and Aldier ran Kings as captains for 5 months and then moved to Intrepid and have run it well for another 5 months! I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I HAVE TO DO! I have said this in multiple posts, but it is obvious that everything I've said has been written off as stupid drama, and not really payed attention to. I love XG but am getting tired of people not paying attention to what I actually say.

 

[BuNiTe]

Ok i was not going after you or aldier. I was just stating this as an all around thing for everyone that thinks that way. It was not targeted towards you.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Arcameli, Dude, you need to lighten up a little.
Seriously dude. What happened, happened and you dwelling on it over and over in many different threads will not do anything more then keep bringing back the drama assoscited with that issue. It's done and over.

You started this thread out similar as you did in another area of the forums by beating around the bush on a different topic then you revert back to this dead issue.

Look, I am sorry that things happened as they did but no one can change it. What we can do is shut up about it and get on with doing good things with what we have now. Sounds like you and Adlier are doing that which is great. So go do that.

As for not listening to you, that is false. We hear you and understand you. The problem is, you are still hurt about how things happened and seeking something that no one can give you. The clan is gone as you knew it and everyone else has moved on. If you have issues with someone go to that person and talk it out sensibly.

As for people leaving, I will say it again, they leave because they choose to leave for their own reasons. The excuse that things are tough is crap. They are only tough when you let them be tough.

Let's move on from this thing with your old clan and get you on to bigger and better things, OK?

Thanks.

 

[blondiizzle]

I just wanted to say that I believe that I was arguing the same point as both Hylander and Bunite. I'm here because I want to be here, I handle my responsibilities so that everyone around me can enjoy their experience and not have to complain that I am not doing what I signed up for.

Thanks

 

[XGC Aldier]

Arcameli, Dude, you need to lighten up a little.
Seriously dude. What happened, happened and you dwelling on it over and over in many different threads will not do anything more then keep bringing back the drama assoscited with that issue. It's done and over.

You started this thread out similar as you did in another area of the forums by beating around the bush on a different topic then you revert back to this dead issue.

I fail to see how any of this makes sense. This thread was started over a week before the issue with XGC Kings came up. The issue with Kings is settled and over with, no one is going back to it but you.

Look, I am sorry that things happened as they did but no one can change it. What we can do is shut up about it and get on with doing good things with what we have now. Sounds like you and Adlier are doing that which is great. So go do that.

If you believe we are not doing anything wrong and we are doing what you are asking us to go do, then why are you posting? You say we are doing well, then the next sentence you tell us to stop doing what we are doing and just go do what we have been doing?? That is the most confusing thing in the world to me.

As for not listening to you, that is false. We hear you and understand you. The problem is, you are still hurt about how things happened and seeking something that no one can give you. The clan is gone as you knew it and everyone else has moved on. If you have issues with someone go to that person and talk it out sensibly.

He started the thread by saying other generals in XGC clans are leaving because they felt that it was becoming a 2nd job. He did not say, "I feel ..." He then had to repeat himself that it is not how HE feels but how OTHER people (who have left) felt. He then wanted to get the opinion of the other generals on the issue to see what they think. Why are you trying to cause drama?

As for people leaving, I will say it again, they leave because they choose to leave for their own reasons. The excuse that things are tough is crap. They are only tough when you let them be tough.

Let's move on from this thing with your old clan and get you on to bigger and better things, OK?

Thanks.

Until you have been in someone else's position I do not think you should tell them they are full of crap. Things are not always easy and good in XGC. Not everyone has an 80 person clan with 90% activity with other people to help share the workload with them. No one that is in the situation of having to do all the work that is still in XGC is complaining, they are just saying it is not always peachy keen and hunky dory. We have moved on from the old clan and the only reason it gets discussed is when people keep posting about it over and over wondering why we are still upset about it. The issue of control of Kings was dead after the first post by Zealot. If you have a problem with someone you should go talk to them? That is correct, except it has come to my attention now that if it is not nice, cheery, and "go, team, go" that is has no place on the forums. I am curious Hylander if your posts in this and other threads as you like to refer to them are not you just running to help your friend when you perceive he is being attacked. Perhaps the best thing could have been for all the people NOT involved to stay out of the situation and as you say, let the people involved talk about it sensibly.

 

[XGC HYLANDER XC]

Now this is some funny chit here! LOL!!!

Adlier,
My friend, you are a confused individual if you think I care about much of what you say to me directly on these forums. Personal feelings have nothing to do with any of this. I don't like you nor do I dislike you. I could care less about any of that emotional BS.

I reply to posts that require a Section Leader to address them. Call it my job or me Volunteering or whatever you like but that is my role in this community.

Of course it is a good thing I not take all this as life threatening serious event and have a sense of humor because your post would see your a$$ demoted and/or removed for being disrespectful to another XG member. That is regardless of my Rank in XG as your post is offensive, period.

Now let me try one last time to shed some light on this thing. You can take it however you want but know this, I will not tolerate any further attacks on me or anyone else nor any sarcastic remarks however you want to try and say they were meant. Do so and you will be removed.

This thread was started in reference to people feeling like they were doing a second job and being stressed out due to various things they had to deal with. Many people then leaving because of that. A couple of us answered that concern directly. Two Section Leaders and a couple others. The answers given did not go over to well with the originator of the thread and yourself which is when you both took the offensive and it was Arcameli that went into a fit about the KINGS issue again. Like tying his post here with that issue as being the same.

Let's re-visit that for a moment. It was handled by a Section Leader in the KINGS forum. If like you say it was over then it should have been done with, correct?

Then why did Arcameli make a post in that Section Leaders forum using a fake scenario at first then in later posts bring back the issue about KINGS? You and he then both attacked that Section Leader and he responded in what I thought was a very diplomatic respectful manner.

So that issue again is dead, right?

You make note that is was me that brought that up again. Your wrong.

It was Arcameli that went into a fit about the answers and brought up the KINGS thing once again. You and he then decided to go back and forth with your battering of that issue an attempt to belittle others with your cut and paste posts.

This would be the third time that I have seen this happen.
Does everyone see a pattern here?

You asked why I post and mentioned also that people should stay out of others business, well, as I stated I am a Section Leader in this community and it is my responsibilty to insure the good of all gamers in it are considered. When people post things that need to be addressed I am the voice that needs to respond. You can like that or not but that is how it is. If it is XG related it is my business.

You mentioned something in your post about me running to help a freind being attacked. I am guessing you are meaning why I posted in Zealots forum when you and Arcameli were attacking him about the KINGS issue a second time. Well, Zealot didn't need my help dude. He handled you all just fine. I posted as a neutral voice on the issue that I saw being discussed. Like I said a couple times, you read in to things way to much and take them way to serious.

This is not a pissing contest. Nor is it a freinds versus friends high school popularity contest either.

The heart of all of this whole thing to me is simply that you and Arcameli got your feelings hurt on how something got handled and you have been bittered ever since. You can say you are over it but if you are it sure doesn't seem that way.

With that when people gave you straight hard answers to your questions and concerns you got offended somehow because they didn't come with roses attached.

Guys, it is time to get over it already. I mean it.

Other people have troubles all the time and they make a choice, they leave or they suck it up and press forward.

Who cares if people complain about things being hard and then leave. I wouldn't want them here anyway if they are unhappy and can't handle their responsibilities.

That is very simple and what I and others said in response to the original post. That is when this should have ended.

Now I just spent 25 mins of my Saturday morning typing out this ridculous reponse to a ridiculous issue in an online gaming community. I am dead serious dudes, move on from this and do so right away. I will be online later today and most all night, you will get with me and we will talk about this and it will be done with.

If you need to have the last word here on the forums to make yourselves feel good, make a reply and put in the following " I got the last word " but don't go posting more gibberish.

 

[XGC Aldier]

I am not going to bother replying to you Hylander. If you really care about this community you would come speak to me in game about what my "issue" is as once again, I post a message on these forums and my point is completely missed by a section leader. I am not going to waste my time any more correcting people that post false information. If anyone wants to know what happened to XGC Kings I will tell them. If anyone wants to know what my "issue" is, I will tell them that as well. I have been told that the forums are only for happy, "go team,go" posts, so I will abide by those rules.